Site Build It Scam Trolls
I don’t use this site to write much about internet marketing, which stands to reason since it is a political humor site, but I was reading the Site Build It Scam Review and it just got to me, much in the same way it gets to me when I see anyone being threatened into submission.
The author of the review, Lis, had the balls to come out and say it like she sees it, and the assassination squad from Site Build It were sent out to attack and threaten. More than one shill for the company declares here review to be Libelous and warns of impending lawsuit.
I have to agree with the comment from Lorecee who said:
Lorecee Mar 20th, 2009 at 12:10 am
Wow, all these SBI zombie trolls are one big bucket o’ugly.
Think for a minute, you guys–does this kind of negative, nasty, condescending, threatening response to criticism of your business model reflect well on it? Or does it make people go, “I was going to pay my $300 bucks to SBI [of which $75 goes into the affiliate bucket, which I'm sure most of you have set out], but these people are awfully testy and thin-skinned. Kinda brainwashed, too. Reminds me a little of the Scientology folks, right on down to the threat of bogus lawsuits. If you were new to internet business, would you buy a product from people with these traits, even if they’re right?
I’m starting to understand why there was almost NO criticism of SBI online when I was doing research on it before joining. The shock troops bullied them into submission. First threats of lawsuits. Then a call to the hosting service. Then the C&D nastygram from the lawyer. That usually does it.
I will tell you, regardless of her take on the issue, I need look no further than the comments left by the SBI Trolls to see that the company runs itself like an Organized Crime family, and I would certainly take that into account when considering my own opinion of the review. Long story short, the reaction of SBI seems to confirm what she said. Site Build It is a scam.
There. Want to come after me for “Libel”? Fuck off trolls.
It really bothers me when you can’t find an opposing opinion about something. I’ve encountered this before, and it really bothers me when I am looking to evaluate something and there is no criticism of it. Whether it’s a product or a President, you cannot make an informed decision if you don’t have both sides of the issue.
You can filter out the criticisms. Some people are just stupid ninnies, and that is taken into consideration. For example, if I were looking for web hosting, and a review stated that the person didn’t know how to use a Cpanel, that would not matter. I already know how to do that. If they said the customer service didn’t respond for 3 days, then that would be a valid consideration.
Either way, I want negative critiques to be available as well as the positive. I felt compelled to write this because of a lack of negative criticism against SBI. If they were confident in their business model, they wouldn’t need “Truth Squads” attacking people with a differing opinion. They would know that people make judgments based on both pro and con views, and will actually be more likely to be turned off by a lack of opposing viewpoints.
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…
We’ll have the next installment of our political humor novel in a few hours.
Related Site Build It! Reviews
What Constitutes a Scam? This is perfect for this site. The regulars here will love this little excerpt:
First of all, the biggest scam or scheme of 2009 is not going to involve Bernie Madoff who stole over 50 billion dollars from his clients. By far the biggest scam of the year, and in the history of the United States, is a little something called the stimulus bill of 2009. Never before have the taxpayers of America been scammed out of trillions of dollars. But hey, we voted for the guy for President right, so who is really suprised? You get what you vote for.
Allyn Hayne has a great Site Build It! Review Video. He really hits the nail on the head. SBI is a just good old fashioned Bulllllllllshit! What he has to say about “business in a box” is also very poignant. It’s also a very entertaining video in general.
Personal Development for Dummies™ looks at the cult of Site Build It! and makes the point that it is senseless to “believe in” a website platform.
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A very valid set of points. Although you wrote a non-political post, the implications are obvious and parallel the far left’s desire to silence opposition through character assassination and variations on the Fairness Doctrine. It sounds like SBI has taken a chapter out of that same play book.
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Les, I actually had thought about the parallels myself when I wrote this. I had withheld making it an overt observation originally, just to see if anyone else would notice.
Right off, I can think of the campaign against Rush Limbaugh, and even the attacks on Lefty Jim Cramer for not worshiping at the altar of Obamanomics.
The unsettled feeling that I get when dissenting views are responded to with coordinated attacks is the sort of feeling that I got when I saw the planned and coordinated attack on Lis for voicing her opinion.
Bloggers use provocative speech. We state things using wording of factiness (not to be confused with truthiness). Why? because no one will want to read something if you’re constantly qualifying it with “in my opinion” and “I think” and other constant disclaimers. Furthermore, blogging is something that we do in a style that is representative of the way we communicate to real people.
Think about the people that you know. Most will use assured, confident language to state their perspective. Those who don’t usually wind up being seen as uncertain, or cautious about their beliefs. This is not a way to attract attention. When your goal is to write linkbait, one thing you simply don’t do is tone it down until it is no longer notable.
Site build it responds to a blogger’s perspective with threats and intimidation. They should note that precedent has been set, and whether they like it or not, she has every right to express her opinion online. They have a right to respond.
All along, I couldn’t help but think about how during the campaign, there was that site that was set up to respond to what people were saying about Barack Obama. The thing about it was, most of the accusations were things that even as a fierce right winger, I had never heard of. To further the irony, the whole presentation seemed to lend credibility to the accusations. In fact, the whole website was so pathetic that if it had just had a little more edge to it, it could have been some great satire.
Site Build It! Needs to take a page out of marketing and public relations for dummies or something, because they are going about responding to criticism in a way that does far more to damage their public image than any critical evaluation could ever do.
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Grizzly’s Site Build it – Don’t Buy it post has a round up of all of us siding with Lis on the issue. I’m sure that list would grow by leaps and bounds if SBI wants to push the issue.
I’m also sure the Media Bloggers Association would agree with her rights as well.
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[...] Grizz has a friend or 2, or 2000 – why because he gives away good information for FREE. Grizz posted a post, about whether is Site Build It a scam. Its only a crappy blogger blog – a free blog – no less – I don’t think anyone will see it
. Vic having got into the spirit of things as to whether Site Build It Review or even SBI Review or whatever was an over-priced piece of shit – his language not mine! Friar has an interesting political take on free speech and blog trolls Site Buid It Scam Trolls [...]
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Definitely check out the post on the topic by AdSense Tracker.
Read Site Build It Scam Reviews.
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I like how Lis calls the minions the “Rapid Response Group”. Great phrase. I’ll have to remember that one.
On the main issue why the hell would anyone buy this garbage?
How stupid do you have to be to buy into the tagline on their splash page:
Since 1997, SiteSell.com has delivered “E-business success. Simple. Real.”
But not really simple to make real money. They left that part out of course.
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What a carry on ! I wonder what the SBI mob are thinking now ?
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Hi VicW,
Funny how we keep crossing paths in our variety of different web personas. Lol.
My guess would be something along the lines of “Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck.”
After all, they must be losing income with losing their rankings for their sales pages.
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Hey, Chris. Just found your comment in Purgatory and let it out. One reason why someone would buy such a bullshit program is that it is endorsed by Steve Pavlina, and a few others that many people worship at the altar of.
If you can’t figure out how to get on the web, your internet based business is already doomed. People are stupid, and delusional, and hucksters like Steve Pavlina telling people to quit their day job and make mega-bucks blogging isn’t helping.
One thing though. We (or at least I did) had a goal of balancing the search results so that a more diverse array of results would be able to be found, and we succeeded in that goal. All may not be right with the world, but we did make a small part of it better.
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Yeah, it was more of a rhetorical question.
Guys like Steve are the internet version of a used car salesman.
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It went from surreal to inspirational – there are some posts from Vic and Grizz at around the 30,000 word mark which are awesome – I pulled them out and made a hub of them. Thanks for your suport
Lissie
PS you gave me the word troll and therefore the appropriate picture LOL
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Hi Lissie. I don’t know why, but you were in Akismet Purgatory as well (I’m beginning to wonder if it has something to do with the MMO nature of this post). As for the support, I am glad to offer it. It’s interesting to see how much can be learned from all of this, from who your real allies are, to how SEO works, and how someone can actually change things through changing search results.
I did not like the imbalance in the SERPS and realized it was something I could actually DO something about. That was all I needed to take the ball and run with it.
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With a HUBPAGE – how the fuck can they do that ?
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I’m saying that I think somehow my own post is confusing Akismet or something. It threw one of my own authors, ChrisC, into the spam queue.
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I have been with SBI for a while now and just posted about them on my blog. I then found your post via a comment/link on Lissie’s blog I think it was.
Cult is a word that crosses my mind too but sycophant is sometimes just as appropriate. Ken Evoy (SBI founder) does seem to be upheld by the sycophants at an artificially high level, in fact, too high to be natural.
He has put together a package that includes most of what an average website owner would need but it is somewhat inflexible.
For the money it would be difficult to pull together all that is made available to each SBI owner BUT (really big but) and I am guessing, the average SBI owner probably does not get anywhere near the value out of the package that they could.
I have posted about my experience on my blog – no affiliate links – promise
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I think SBI has had its day. There are some that will continue to swear by it and yet others who will swear at you if you dis it. SBI will continue to exist for some time to come as there is an army of affiliates who will promote it regardless of their own level of success with it.
SBI suits a particular type of person. It is not likely to suit those who have developed a range of website building skills or who like full control over many aspects of their online presence. It will suit beginners BUT (another big but) some of the stories told by affiliates (eg making 16,000/month on a site with < 50 pages and just adsense) will eventually leave a bitter taste in the mouths of many wannabes who after 2 years forking out $300/yr for SBI will quietly skulk away into a corner looking for the next opportunity to "make it online".
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My gravatar seems to be missing but I am not a terrorist, honest.
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I am happy to see that not everyone is afraid of Cult Leader Ken Evoy. I was with SBI for a few years and due to lack of time I never bothered to check for resources outside of SBI. I have to say and admit I also fell into the whole Pappa Ken to the rescue and do as he says. Everyone in that forum is blinded by Ken Evoy, he posts everyday acting like he actually cares for SBIers when in reality all he really cares about are his affiliate sales and he gets you to do that by making you feel like he actually cares about you and your success. If it wasn’t for the good people that blindly buy SBI and and blindly fall for his demand for free marketing he would NOT have a business. More and more anyone that even remotely criticizes SBI, his company or disagrees with him gets chewed out, embarrassed and the SBI troop of zombies run to defend him, it’s VERY CREEPY.
He tells people to keep blinders on, he preaches against Word Press and any other host like they are the devil and how you should stay away from them because if you dare to try them you will fail. Reality is SBI sites are doing terribly, they got slammed by Panda, thousands of people lost their income and as zombies they are waiting for Ken Evoy to move his magic wand and fix the problem… I have never seen such ridiculous, childish and downright SCARY behavior in a professional setting. SBI sites are doing badly because what Ken tells them to do is outdated, the builder and the designs available are from the 90′s and readers want more than sites built for Adsense.
When SBI’s Facebook account got removed, he told all his ZOMBIES to go and bombard Facebook, they all went and they did get their page back, any time a bad review is posted, he sends his troops to defend him.
If people disagree with him at the forums, he practically embarrasses them and tells them they are not welcomed there.
By the way, their builder sucks, and they made it basically practically impossible for customers to move their sites, they certainly know how to make moving to another host painful so they stay after a few hundred pages built.
Oh, and did I mention, they have access to your sites, and they go in whenever they want, use your stats to market SBI like you owe them your traffic and then post it without your permission. They also post your site on the results page so basically anyone looking for a niche, find a good niche to copy and gets the ideas you worked on and paraphrases your work and then he says you just need to deal with it.
The list goes on and on, STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM SITESELL, KEN EVOY AND ANY OTHER CRAP THEY OFFER. You can get anything you need these days for free online to be successful.